more entries to come

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The emergent voices have left me provoked to discuss soteriology (how we are saved) and harmatiology (our sin) and hell and stuff like that. But it is hard to write these things up real quick. I can't do it quickly. I don't want to treat God's word flippantly. I don't want to leave gaping holes in the discussion. I haven't found links to writers who say what i want to say without their distracting baggage. I think I will write some sketches of thoughts.
A commenter in my previous entry pretended to have a dialogue with me about how the Old Testament saints were saved. The truth is I don't know. I'm not sure we know morethan that Faith in God was involved. If that is all the available data, Hebrews 11, then how can I speculate beyond that. Why waste time in the mysteries? Let's spend time in the clear stuff.

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Geoff Gordon said…
I like this conversation. Here's my question: were we saved 2,000 years ago when Christ was crucified ala "I have been crucified with Christ," and what we call being saved is more like waking up to reality. Or is it something that is imparted to us when we believe. Maybe the distinction isn't all that important, but I think it affects how I "do evangelism." I am resistant to the notion that salvation occurs with confession because I've seen it lead to pressure tactics and manipulation. Closing the deal. Getting people to say "the magic sentence" and all that. But that doesn't mean that confession is not not critical. I'm just not sure it's essential. Can someone be saved and not realize it. I tend to think so. Your thoughts...
June 20, 2005
Geoff Gordon said…
I like this conversation. Here's my question: were we saved 2,000 years ago when Christ was crucified ala "I have been crucified with Christ," and what we call being saved is more like waking up to reality. Or is it something that is imparted to us when we believe. Maybe the distinction isn't all that important, but I think it affects how I "do evangelism." I am resistant to the notion that salvation occurs with confession because I've seen it lead to pressure tactics and manipulation. Closing the deal. Getting people to say "the magic sentence" and all that. But that doesn't mean that confession is not not critical. I'm just not sure it's essential. Can someone be saved and not realize it. I tend to think so. Your thoughts...
June 20, 2005
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